Various problems with transcriptions and translations
  • QliffotQliffot June 2010

    Hello,
    My name is Krystian Łukasz, I'm from Poland and I'm learning Japanese since three years, but I'm self-taught and it's not not regularly and very chaotic at all. Anyway, my motivation is to know meanings of Japanese song lyrics, because I adore many Japanese bands (especially visual kei). I can say that my Japanese isn't the worse and I made even few translations... But at this moment my general work is transcribing song lyrics in kanji from various booklets, scans etc. to normal Unicode/UTF+8 characters. And also sometimes I have problems with it, it's very hard to find or even recognize kanji, all radicals... This website is for me then very great help. But there are kanji that I can't find even here or at another websites with dictionaries, that let to search kanji by radicals and to do other things to find "letter", that is needed at the moment. Also because of thoughts, that maybe posting at this forum and requesting for You to look at most problematic kanji and to recognize them will help me, I started this discussion/entry, If it's nothing wrong and I'll be not banned, I'd like to post here every kanji, that I can't find looking through few hours, or even few days, because I think that I have much patience to look for them, but sometimes after 2-3 days even this patience disappears :-/... I suppose that somebody will help me in case like this.

    Also, at the beginning, this fragment of lyrics: http://img14.imageshack.us/i/kanjitext.jpg/ - what is third kanji from the end, after "mae ni" and before "ite"?

    Please, I really hope, You help me!

  • tamatamatamatama June 2010

    I don't think people will mind you asking about kanji readings.

    跪く=ひざまずく

    This one IS on the denshi jisho site (though I just looked it up on my personal 電子辞書 because it's faster). One option which might be helpful with Windows 7 or Max OS X.?? is to look up kanji by drawing them out on your mouse/pad. At least I think you can do these things but I never looked into it myself. I guess you can do this on an iPhone, DS, etc also. Perhaps if you tell us what technology you have to work with, somebody other than me who knows about this stuff can help you out.

  • QliffotQliffot June 2010

    Thank You for Your answer. That's surely kanji I've been looking for (and I really can't find it in site, I've been used "kanji by radicals" option with 止, 口 and 已 option (I can see now that my dired kanji can be found looking at 口, but there's 1323 kanji using this radical, so that's difficult to find this one)... I don't know, there's any possibility to look kanji drawing it by mouse. I don't have iPhone, DS and other stuff like this, my OS is Windows 7 Ultimate. I checked out that some websites give possibility to search kanji this way using some java application, but I never couldn't find any kanji this way... But, if somebody can suggest me something, I'll be very glad.

  • tamatamatamatama June 2010

    Ah, so the radical is 足偏, and you can find it by radical on this site (13 strokes). (By the way, can someone tell me how to convert あしへん to actually give the あしへん?) If you end up looking up a lot of kanji by radical, it might be a good idea to learn all (or almost all) the radicals, so you can easily identify them (at least usually, and sometimes the radical depends on the dictionary, but they're for the most part standard). Usually, if the kanji looks like two characters side by side, one of them is the radical (more often the left one, as in this case).

    Alternatively, Kodansha's Kanji Learner's Dictionary has a "SKIP" lookup method which allows you to look up kanji without knowing reading or radical (but you do need to know the stroke count). Unfortunately, that doesn't have much more than the 常用漢字, and 跪 is not in there. Perhaps there's a more complete kanji dictionary with a similar lookup method, but I think once you get familiar with looking up word by radicals, it's not that hard (usually).

    As for looking up kanji by drawing them on your computer, I think Windows IME Pad allows you to do this. See for example

    http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/resources/findingkanji
    http://japangaku.com/figuring-out-those-unknown-kanji-in-your-non-digital-book

    Though I've never done this, so perhaps someone else on this site can tell you more about this.

  • RichardRichard June 2010

    I just tried it on the IME pad, and even though I drew it pretty badly it still came up as the first option. The IME pad should be accessible from the language bar all the time I believe (though it might depend on your setup). The only thing you have to remember is that you have to have the flashing input cursor on the screen to start writing.

    I did think of an alternative method if your sentence is not too obscure which is to write the rest and enclose it in quotes and search on Google. "汝の亡骸の前に"
    Didn't work this time though. Too obscure.

  • TobberothTobberoth June 2010

    Always look for bigger radicals before you go for the smaller ones. It's hard if you're not well-versed in the available radicals, but it's a good thing to keep in mind.

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