Usage of って and とか
  • alexkx3alexkx3 April 2009

    I'm a little confused on the usage of って, which I mainly encounter in spoken Japanese.
    I know that って is a shorting of と言う, but I seem to see it used all the time,
    when nobody is quoting anybody or anything. Like they just throw it in, whenever they feel like it.

    Also, the difference between とか and と.

    Cheers

  • TobberothTobberoth April 2009

    とか means "or", in a sense. レストランとかバー行かない? - "Want to go to a restaurant or a bar?"

    って is indeed short for という, but it's much broader and can be used in a lot of situations where という can't/won't.
    If you see it used in a way which doesn't seem to work with という, try は instead. Like 新宿ってどこ?

    If I were you, I wouldn't worry too much about it, both って and とか are used heavily in Japanese, you will eventually learn it through context.

  • ascendantascendant April 2009

    とか is basically used as you would use “and” or “or” when you are only describing a few of the possible things. Whenever you would be using words/phrases like “etc.” or “or something like that” or “and those kinds of things” or “such as” in English you should be usingとか.

    On the other hand と basically equates for “and” or “or” when you’re describing all the possiblities.

    For example:

    “I have a white one and a black one” = use と
    “I’ve seen a lot of different kinds, such as white ones, black ones, red ones, etc.” = use とか

  • TobberothTobberoth April 2009

    Posted By: ascendant
    [p]Whenever you would be using words/phrases like “etc.” or “or something like that” or “and those kinds of things” or “such as” in English you should be usingとか.[/p][p]

    “I’ve seen a lot of different kinds, such as white ones, black ones, red ones, etc.” = use とか[/p]

    That's true, somewhat. However, in those situations you should generally use や (or やら if you're counting up bad/negative things) and possibly end the line of items with 等. Using too many とか sounds a bit slangy since the particle-pair isn't really "supposed" to be used to list things.

    Example:
    冷蔵庫にお握りや卵等がある。 - There's, among other things, onigiri and egg in the refrigerator.

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